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« Vastaus #1110 : 26.09.13 - klo:19:56 »
Ollaan meilailtu Blinkin kanssa. Ne hommaa noin 120 eurolla itse kannen. Postitus Suomeen on noin satasen.

Mutta mutta, kyselin että miten ihmeessä tolla saadaan 40% tehonlisäys. Edelleenkään kolmen meilin jälkeen se ei ole selvinnyt mutta on tullut selväksi että eri dynot mittaa eri tuloksia ja hevosvoima tarkoittaa montaa asiaa.

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« Vastaus #1111 : 26.09.13 - klo:20:24 »
Yllättävä käänne: joku myy internetissä katteettomia lupauksia halvalla.
Totta, yhtä yllättävää ettei ammattilaiset jaa salaisuuksiaan netissä.

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It might be worth pointing out that the 1.6 power gains were produced with the AFM deleted.
We can assure people that the gains are genuine and link to one of our other threads on the development of the 1.8 cylinder head:
www.mx5nutz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=69931&

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11:1 compression from 10.6:1 supertech 79mm overbore pistons and a head and block skim.
Cometic head gasket
h beam rods with arb fixings
+1mm supertech stainless valves
Custom Kent cams 295 with matched valve springs
vernier cam pulleys.
lightened flywheel and clutch assembly.
The whole assemble has been lightened and balanced, including knife edging of the crank.
cost me in excess of £4500 even though I put it all together.
£3250
http://www.mx5nutz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=126280#entry1551606
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« Vastaus #1112 : 26.09.13 - klo:22:34 »
Mutta mutta, kyselin että miten ihmeessä tolla saadaan 40% tehonlisäys. Edelleenkään kolmen meilin jälkeen se ei ole selvinnyt mutta on tullut selväksi että eri dynot mittaa eri tuloksia ja hevosvoima tarkoittaa montaa asiaa.

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Se on totta että eri dynot antaa eri lukemia, mutta 40% on 40% oli se dyno mikä hyvänsä. Eli esim. ss-motorsin dynossa toi tarkottais terveelle 1.6:lle n. 160hp konetehoja. 1.6 hieman kireemmillä nokilla, kansitöillä, korkeemmilla puristuksilla, afm poistolla, säädettävällä eculla, pakosarjalla, katin poistolla, catbackillä ja imupuolen parannuksilla antaa meilläpäin ~140hp konetehot mikä on ~24 % vakiota enemmän. Tosta on sitten vielä 16% matkaa noiden ilmoittamaan tehonlisäykseen. Marok tällä foorumilla päässy tota lähimmäks, merkittävimpänä erona vieläkin korkeemmat puristukset, koneen poraus 1.7l kokoon, isommat venat ja kireemmät nokat (tais olla 270 asteiset), jolloin ollaan jo hyvin lähellä tuota 40% lisäystä ja teho tulee nimenomaan yläkierroksille 4500rpm eteenpäin, ja suurin ero vasta 6000+ rpm kierroksilla.

Jännittävintä mun mielestä on se että noilla vääntökäyrä on käytännössä ihan saman mallinen mitä vakiona, vääntöä on vaan kaikkialla enemmän ja huipputeho saavutetaan samoilla kierroksilla mitä vakionakin, ja vääntö / teho lähtee tuon jälkeen laskemaan käytännössä samalla tavalla mitä vakiona, mikä tuntuu hieman hassulle sen valossa mitä itse on näitä vaparivirityksiä seurannut.


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« Vastaus #1113 : 26.09.13 - klo:23:29 »
Hi everybody,

first, let me apologise - I'm sorry but we don't speak any Finnish but I hope some of you may be able to understand English.

It would appear that there are some concerns over the Power Package kits we have just started to sell and we have been contacted by a member from Finland who was innitially pretending to be interested in buying a kit but then just turned out that he was questioning our package - such a shame as we are more than happy just to talk through what is involved in the upgrades,

A bit of history about BLiNK Motorsport:

Blink have been involved in racing MX5's in the UK for around eight years during which we have gained a reputation for preparing some of the best race cars on the grid.

Further to this we are renowned for our engine work and have won four championships - three consecutive championships with Tom Roche.

We also produced the Championship winning engine for Rob Boston in the Lotus Elise Trophy and to Amy Barker in the MaX5 Championship.

We have full Flow Bench Facilities and our own Dynapack Hub Mounted Dynamometer to assist our engine development.

We alsso provide many other services:
www.blinkmotorsport.com

WE are not a cheap chinese company - our reputation and name are held in very high regard in the UK where we are acknowledged for our honesty - over the years we have dispelled many myths in relation to MX5's!

You may also wish to listen to Tom Roche & the commentators comments at 4mins 57sec. & 10mins in the following TV coverage from the UK MX5 Race series!





In relation to the Power Packages:

A thread of the 1.8 can be found here:

http://forum.wscc.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic/100443-mx5-sdv-power-upgrade-project/

In Relation to the 1.6 engine the Dynoplot show Hub HP. When the car was brought to us it had 80HP at the Hubs which is roughly 105BHP flywheel - this is average for a MK1 1.6 - they never do make 115 BHP - if yours does then the Dyno operator is fooling you!

Our kit was fitted along with the AFM delete Kit and it produced 110 Hub HP that is nearly a 40% increase and equates to 145 BHP flywheel.

The thread is here:

http://www.mx5nutz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=86606&page=6

Some of the 1.8 cylinder head development:

http://www.mx5nutz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=69931&hl=%2Bdeveloping+%2Bthe+%2B1.8+%2Bcylinder

we hope this helps to show we are a legitimate company who specialise in race engine builds and development.
« Viimeksi muokattu: 26.09.13 - klo:23:41 kirjoittanut BLiNK Motorsport »

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« Vastaus #1114 : 27.09.13 - klo:01:09 »
Dear BLiNK,

It was me who was, and still is interested in your kit. I'm sorry if I sounded disrespectful, that wasn't the objective. If we didn't understand and respect your history on racing and engine building, we wouldn't even bother discussing about the kit. Again, apologies.

For a start, let's forget the bhp, hp and hub hp figures. Say B6 engine produces 100 power. We know that you can get up to 10 % more by usual enhancements, such as intake, exhaust and timing. After that you normally need Money (or FI). This information is collected from dozens of dyno runs with different (mx-5) cars and dynos.

What we have experienced is that by increasing the compression ratio, overbore, head porting, race cams w/ adjustable cam gears and fully tuned megasquirt can finally give you up to 25-35 % more power. But as said, you need a little bit more than a valve job and good wash for that.

Could you please explain little bit more accurately what  the head and cams go through in your hands. I'm quite sure it won't ruin your business, we don't have enough market or makers to copy, we would be glad to use your service if the results are what they are told.

Cheers,
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« Vastaus #1115 : 27.09.13 - klo:08:07 »
That was impressive.
More knowledge regarding NA engine tuning packed in a single post than i've ever seen on any mx-5 board so far. Considering how tiny a market we are for you guys, i'd call that dedication. I would not be surprised if you received an order of two from Finland during the winter..

Thumbs up!

EDIT: What just happened here. I answered to the post that's now below mine..
« Viimeksi muokattu: 27.09.13 - klo:10:15 kirjoittanut [Ode] »

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« Vastaus #1116 : 27.09.13 - klo:10:14 »
Sorry - my original post was deleted as I didn't understand the buttons!!

Dear BLiNK,

It was me who was, and still is interested in your kit. I'm sorry if I sounded disrespectful, that wasn't the objective. If we didn't understand and respect your history on racing and engine building, we wouldn't even bother discussing about the kit. Again, apologies.

For a start, let's forget the bhp, hp and hub hp figures. Say B6 engine produces 100 power. We know that you can get up to 10 % more by usual enhancements, such as intake, exhaust and timing. After that you normally need Money (or FI). This information is collected from dozens of dyno runs with different (mx-5) cars and dynos.

What we have experienced is that by increasing the compression ratio, overbore, head porting, race cams w/ adjustable cam gears and fully tuned megasquirt can finally give you up to 25-35 % more power. But as said, you need a little bit more than a valve job and good wash for that.

Could you please explain little bit more accurately what  the head and cams go through in your hands. I'm quite sure it won't ruin your business, we don't have enough market or makers to copy, we would be glad to use your service if the results are what they are told.

Cheers,
Antsa

Hi Antsa,

Thanks for the very polite reply - I do wish we could speak the native language - it has taken me 15 minutes to log in to the forum!

In respect to the cylinder head there is various internet rumours in respect to how certain Miata Cylinder Heads flow better than others (i.e. a 1999 Head is supposed to be the best) - we have tested the various heads and there is in fact very little difference between them even though the ports on the later heads are higher.

When 'Porting' a cylinder head you have to look at where the major restriction to airflow is within that head and this will always be the valve & valve seat itself.

If you 'break the cylinder head down' it consists of the Port, then the Bowl, valve seat, valve itself then lastly the chamber.

For example, if the port is capable of flowing 400cfm and the valve seat 300 cfm; no matter how nice you make that port the head is still only capable of flowing 300cfm.

The Ports on all Miata engines are already extremely good but are slightly oversized for standard Normally aspirated use (They were originally designed for turbo application in the 323) so when a company actually ports your cylinder head and makes it all nice and shiny they are actually loosing performance because the Port velocity falls - the Port velocity is the most critical performance component and not the actual CFM figure.

To improve the Miata cylinder head (and every other cylinder head produced) you must first improve the valve seat and valve itself. The early 1600 cylinder head does not have a three angle valve seat. The industry standard thee angle seat is 30/45/60 degrees - our flow bench tests again shows this hurts performance. Hours spent testing on the flow bench has found seat angles that flow the best (we will not disclose these!). We also modify the valves themselves and enlarge the seat as far as possible. The angles on the exhaust and inlet valve seats should be different to prevent reversion of the gasses.

Testing a cylinder head on our digital flow bench:



Results: (Comparison between a 1993 & VVT Head:





Once the valve and seat area has been addressed the next biggest restriction is 1cm above and below the valve seat. De-shrouding of the valve area in the combustion chamber significantly increases the flow of the head and once this is done the port velocity increases to its optimum - any further porting will reduce the performance of the cylinder head.

The above modifications aren't just cutting valve seats but give you 95% of the total performance available from the Cylinder Head - only an extremely experienced head porter will gain anything over the standard Miata design!

David Vizard (world renowned cylinder head specialist) was given a Miata cylinder Head to examine and even he said he could not improve on the original design!

Further Reading:
http://www.eurospares.com/graphics/engine/Vizard/Porting%20School%20%235%20Identifying%20Primary%20Restrictions%20-%20GoFastNews.com%20-%20All%20Racing%20News%20All%20the%20Time!.pdf

Once the cylinder head flow has been optimized the next reason the engine performs poorly as standard is it's low compression - remember it was originally a turbocharged engine hence the 9.4:1 standard ratio.

Through our experience of racing we know what compression ratio these engines like and we choose an improved ratio for the engine. High compression pistons are expensive and the ones available are very poorly designed! They do increase the compression ratio but have a protrusion out of the top of them which affects the cylinder burn and the power - a flat top design is the preference.

We gain the compression by re-facing the cylinder head.

The camshaft grind we choose is still quite mild to help low down torque - if they were fitted to a standard cylinder head the low down torque would be less but because of the improvements in the cylinder head breathing at the lower valve lifts low RPM torque is maintained. The higher compression, Megasquirt and the cam profile increase the Higher RPM Power.

The Megasquirt is the Keystone of the package and is responsible for a significant performance gain - it really doe open up the package and users know this well.

Along with the AFM delete kit (Contrary to popular belief it is not the AFM that causes the major restriction in the inlet but is the air box itself!) The kit combines nicely.

I have put links in the previous post - please feel free to contact the people who have purchased these items to get their views directly without any interference from us.

We hope the above helps a little bit - to finish here is the power plot from the first 1800 kit we did:



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« Vastaus #1117 : 27.09.13 - klo:14:05 »
Sorry - my original post was deleted as I didn't understand the buttons!!

Delete is the one with the red cross over:) "Vastaa" means Post reply, "Lainaus" = Quote

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The camshaft grind we choose is still quite mild to help low down torque - if they were fitted to a standard cylinder head the low down torque would be less but because of the improvements in the cylinder head breathing at the lower valve lifts low RPM torque is maintained.

So you grind the originals, if I understand right? Could you use the euro 90hp-version (US autotranny) cams also? Any condition?

Do you have any other dyno graphs except the one below?
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« Vastaus #1118 : 27.09.13 - klo:14:20 »
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Do you guys have any turbo dyno results? before and after head work?
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« Vastaus #1119 : 27.09.13 - klo:19:42 »
BLiNK Motorsport I change your forum language to English  food-smiley-004

Do you guys have any turbo dyno results? before and after head work?

Unfortunately we don't - as yet nobody that has a turbo or supercharger has fitted one of our heads although their currently is a very high spec supercharger build progressing in the UK using a Cylinder Head from ourselves.

The cams are re-ground on the originals but do require the 115bhp cam.

HTH
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« Vastaus #1120 : 28.09.13 - klo:10:06 »
FS: race ready 99 Miata "Crusher"



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« Vastaus #1122 : 10.10.13 - klo:16:17 »
Mikäs penarissa vikana? http://www.nettiauto.com/bmw/z3/5802046

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« Vastaus #1124 : 10.10.13 - klo:17:09 »
Mikäs penarissa vikana? http://www.nettiauto.com/bmw/z3/5802046

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